userpicThe Modesty of Usain Bolt
10.08.12, 09:14 AM

I was as thrilled as anyone to see Usain Bolt resoundingly win the 100 and 200 meters events. But is all the crowing and self-adulation really necessary? Why does he have keep calling himself a "legend" and the "greatest ever"? We all saw him do it. Since when did modesty become so passe? I much preferred the demeanor of David Rudisha who was also astounding in the 400 meters. There seems to be some strange insecurity in Bolt, and maybe a hint of paranoia. Congratulations, Usain--but cut the big-headed crap, please!

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No avataraChrisH
18.08.12, 04:39 PM
Rushida was astounding, but it was the 800m. What made it even more astounding was that the 800m record has been fairly static over the last thirty years or so. Seb Coe's record stood from the early eighties until '97. Rushida was also very polite after the event, paying tribute to Coe etc. He really is getting close to breaking the 1.40 barrier than no one thought possible: two sub 50 second laps of the track.

No avataraSarah
26.02.13, 04:32 PM
I noticed that too. And I liked it or wondering if I should like it. First thing, I think people who are into sport must or should(!) have a particular state of mind. You want to be the best. I am not sure how wanting or actually being modest will make you win. They probably do cultivate this in themselves as well. If their personality is not like this, to begin with. Maybe being modest does change your personality as well.
What would mean, "I want to win, but I am modest about it". I am practising for years and years to win great competitions, I run the way most people can even grasp to run, but I feel like being modest about it. He is probably not an intellectual person to fool you about his modesty. If I am not missing something.

No avataraSarah
27.02.13, 01:55 PM
This is still not that clear for me.
To begin with, I think they all want to win and be the best. Their mind is focused on that.
If there are two friends, for instance, and they both are running in the same competition, each of them will think he must win and be the best, regardless of their friendship.
But you are saying that David Rudisha is a modest person who also won great competitions. So what is wrong with Usain Bolt? Because it is better to be modest in such situations, we like it more.
Will he eventually go insane being like this? If there is a hint of paranoia that will develop in time?
He will probably not run for his entire life. How great can you still believe you are outside where you are known as being good at? How far can he go with \\\"not being modest\\\" attitude until it will be a sign of worry?
My reaction was that his success implies an immense amount of work, hours after hours of training, years after years. I thought he felt like showing how great he thinks he is, that his work is not in vain. He was damn happy. Sometimes happiness after achieving something you really wanted is expressed like this.
For me, it would not work. Training myself years after years just to be the best runner, and running from one point to another, I just do not understand it.
I like watching such competitions though.

No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 01:44 AM
If you have never been modest, can you really become modest? Because the other way around it seems fairly possible.

No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 04:57 AM
Religious people seem to be very modest people or want to cultivate this in themselves and in other people. Is this correct?

What does it mean being modest? Is someone modest only when he achieved something that will justify an arrogant attitude or being modest has nothing to do with achievements?



No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 05:29 AM
Being modest is obviously different than being polite. You do have to talk to show that you are polite.
Is it the same thing with being modest? Although you can be modest and polite at the same time.

No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 05:55 AM
He was calling himself "the greatest ever". If you think precisely at what he said and given the fact that he achieved a new world record, then what he said is justified. He did not lie. Until someone better will come after him. He will no longer be \\\"the greatest ever\\\" as a runner. But he was not modest.

No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 06:19 AM
Does he know he was not modest or he actually thinks his attitude is normal?
Is being modest what we would call a normal attitude or being modest is something different?

He surely does not see himself as a liar. He actually thinks that what he said "I am the greatest ever" it is the truth.

The truth seem to be something that it is necessary in a normal attitude and also in a modest attitude.( if these two are different). In an arrogant attitude also? Is this correct?



No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 07:14 AM
What would mean a normal attitude? Do you have to be somehow modest also to be known as having a normal attitude? As not showing off too much. But being normal does not make you think that you are showing off too much, or maybe just a little. You also need to tell the truth and also be polite?
But he seem like he thinks his attitude is normal. And he was telling the truth. Was he also polite? Can you still call him polite if you think he was showing off too much? He was not polite, was he?
Polite would mean that he did not offend anybody, in particular. Although some people feel they were offended by his attitude.



No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 07:44 AM
I do not know what being normal means. Maybe it means showing off sometimes when you feel like it. And being called arrogant. Will you still not be a modest person in general because you had a precise moment or some moments when you felt like showing off? Or because you had a particular moment when you were not modest, means that in general you are not a modest person? Like being how? Like having an arrogant and cocky attitude in general, most likely without being justified, and also without telling the truth to others or to yourself.



No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 08:42 AM
if you compare Usain Bolt and David Rudisha achievements.
Usain Bolt is the first man to hold both the 100 metres and 200 metres world records whereas Rudisha is just ( although really yery important) the current holder in the 800 metres. Would Rudisha's attitude had been different if being in Usain Bolt place?
I am not sure how much importance this has to justify their attitude, but maybe it has.

No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 09:30 AM
When Usain Bolt set his mind to be a runner, did he start it as thinking that " he will be the greatest ever" or just "I am going to do my best" ?
Because I am interested in this. Does this play a major role in someone's evolution ? Was his attitude always like this or prone to being like this, to begin with ?

No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 01:18 PM
If I will try to cultivate in myself Bolt's attitude, will I truly become like him?
Or I will still be a fake?
Or I will manage to become to some extent like him in order to achieve what I set my mind to achieve?
Maybe you do not need to be truly that way, but only to some extent.
It is certain that my attitude and the way I think is different than his attitude. If not radically different.


No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 01:20 PM
That is, other than having a particular talent to go with it. I need to be talented, don't I?

No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 03:17 PM
I said at some point that religious people seem to be very modest people or want to cultivate this in themselves and in other people. Or holy people. Monks. They look modest, don't they? If this is true. Because they believe in God. We, humans, are not as great as God. Hence, having a modest attitude.
Usain Bolt is known for making the sign of the cross before running. This means he is a religious person.
But he is not modest. Did he get it wrong?

No avataraSarah
28.02.13, 03:45 PM
If God does exist and he existed before us and he created us, should we be born religious or not? Does religion means being moral or something else?
Are we born moral or not?
Does modesty has anything to do with being moral?



No avatarashpeng
14.04.13, 05:04 AM
our view or perception to anything in this world varies pretty much, very much depending how we have been brought up and how we were surrounded and to which extent we have been interpreting thise world.

being modest is after being aware of that.